Soil FAQ Index [Prepared by Eric J. Forbis, forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu, additions by Bob Jewett, jewett@opus.scs.agilent.com] Individual entries in the text body are preceeded with a header format of ### Xy to speed locating the article, where X is section I,II, or III and y is the letter preceeding the article in the index. I Soil substrates and mixes a Soil FAQ intro, substrate descriptions, mixes (Cruder) b Soil FAQ comments (Verheulpen) c Soil mixes and seed germination (Verheulpen) d Sand not recommended in soil mix (Betzler) e Agrosoak possible zeolite substitute (Brown) f Soil question observations (Cruder) g Soil questions and serpentine (Mark) h Limestone in cactus mix (Boehmke) i Limestone reply (Bernard) j Eschew peat! (Peters) II Hydroponic solutions, substrates and issues a Hydroponic recipe (Verheulpen) b Hydroponic recipe comments (Cruder) c More hydroponic comments (Cruder) d Hydroponic plant support question (Gustafson) e More Hydroponic comments questions (Verheulpen) f Rotting caudex + hydro?/Ariocarpus/Citric acid (Cruder) III Other growth tips a Root temperature (Cruder) b Accelerating growth in cacti (Cruder) ### Ia From:(Bob Cruder) Subject: Soil FAQ Friends: We probably should start a FAQ on this subject since the soil questions come up so regularly. Any recommendations interact so much with other aspects of culture that we could make contradictory but equally correct observations. I'd like to toss out some generalities, see which ones we can agree on and start building from there. Purposes of soil: The soil mix provides physical support for the plant, acts as a source or reservoir of water and nutrients, allows circulation of air to the roots while protecting them from sun damage and desiccation. For some species it is also important that the soil serve as thermal storage allowing the plant to survive greater temperature extremes than it could in bare-root form. Natural Soil Components: Most cacti and succulents live in soil with perhaps 3% to 5% organics. The remainder is mineral and may include particle sizes from clay up to boulders. Finer soils allow less air circulation and tolerate much less water before risking root suffocation and rot. Conversely, coarser soils require more frequent watering to avoid root death due to desiccation. Desert soils do not experience the cultivation that worms perform in temperate regions. Neither do they develop thick layers of humus from which minerals and humic acids leach with each rain. Rapid surface drying slows the breakdown of plant residues. In the Sonoran desert, carpenter ants may be the major force for removal of surface residues. In Africa, it is the termite. The major source of soil organics does not come from above. It is the roots of prior plant generations. Except for plants with seeds that must be deposited by flowing water like the river paloverde, plants do not choose their soil. They try to survive where they are. The soil in which they naturally survive may not be optimal and may just be too poor to support any competitors. Not surprisingly, there are perfect soils in which practically any plant will do well. Such soils are so rare in nature that no species would evolve to depend on them and no collector would perceive them as the native soil for any particular species. Nonetheless, we can produce such soils artificially. Available Natural Components: Clay particles array themselves in a fashion that stores water and nutrients and in natural soils prevents both from sinking below the root zone. They also pack so tightly that root aeration is compromised. As much as 10% clay in the form of kitty litter may save mixes that would have been too friable to hold plants upright. Clay makes the mix stick together but must be used in moderation. Fine sand/silt in natural soil holds moisture in narrow interparticle spaces and wicks moisture into the root zone from the subsoil. This service is not needed for potted plants. The particles pack too tight for good root aeration and offer little ion exchange capability. They also do little to support plants structurally. There is no specific need for sand in a soil mix. Natural gravels and pebbles improve air circulation but do not hold water or nutrients. They are often so rounded that plants potted in pure gravel just tip themselves out of the pot. Sometimes a little clay will hold the mix together but pebbles are best used as a top or bottom dressing or as the starter medium for aero-hydroponic systems. Those who want to screen their own should discard particles under 1 mm which would pass through the typical kitchen strainer. The 2mm to 5mm particles which pass through 1/4" hardware cloth are useful for soil mixes. The 5mm to 10mm pebbles which pass through 1/2' hardware cloth are best for hydroponic use or as top dressing for large plants. Granular diatomaceous earth looks like kitty litter and has particle sizes from 1mm to 4 mm. It absorbs water in its pores and supports ion exchange. It is sold as a mechanic's oil absorbent and would be a perfect medium if it were available in coarser form. It is a great top-dressing because it does not stick together and the surface quickly dries to eggshell color. Even without much cohesion, its weight and wet-ability provide good plant support. Crushed pumice shares the same characteristics and is available in coarser sizes. It is not cheaply available in most areas in less than boxcar-sized loads but is the product of choice when available. Crushed basaltic lava rock has larger vesicles and lower silica content. The particles cut into each other providing better physical plant support than any other medium. Lava rock is slightly soluble. Minerals leach out making the soil more alkaline and it breaks down into smaller particles over time. A high proportion of lava rock will cause the same problems as will sand after enough leaching. Peat moss is the decomposed remains of temperate bog mosses. Its fine particle size requires moderation to avoid root suffocation. It releases humic acids which may combat some root pathogens but in breaking down it competes with the roots for available oxygen. As a primary component it resists re-wetting after drying but in proportions less than 25% and when ground with the other components through 1/4" hardware cloth re-wetting is not a problem. Peat moss stores water and nutrients well while providing little of its own. It helps in physical support by holding the soil together but relies on fine roots and fungi to assist in that task. Peat moss is a thermal insulator and prevents plants from transferring heat to or from the soil. Plants potted in peat moss will have lower heat and cold resistance. Peat moss lowers the PH of soil and is useful to compensate for lava rock. Otherwise, one to three tablespoons of lime must be added per cubic foot of peat moss to avoid excess acidity. Dolomitic lime is preferred to avoid an excess of calcium compared to magnesium. Peat moss is mined from environmentally sensitive areas with limited regenerative capacity. Many avoid it for that reason and use the alternatives described below. Artificial Soil Components: Vermiculite is an expanded form of mica. It holds water and minerals well between its layers. It tends to shrink when wet and expand when dry and moves a lot when watered. The volume changes can be compensated by about one gram of polyacrylamide crystals per liter. As with lava rock, the particles break down over time. Since the surface of vermiculite dries too fast for exposed seedlings while the depths offer too little air circulation for most plants, it should be used sparingly, no more than 25% of the mix. Rock wool is derived from a mixture of ground stone which is melted, spun and compacted. It holds water and minerals well but slowly releases alkali like lava rock. Its fine pore size may suffocate roots except where the smallest cubes of rock-wool are used for seedlings. In hydroponic use, larger plants are allowed to arrange their roots on the surface of a rock-wool slab while plant support is provided from above. Bulk rock wool looks like grey cotton and can be used in soil mixes. The chunks do tend to stick together and aggregate. Breaking them down through a 1/4" mesh screen embeds a multitude of fine fibers in one's skin. There are many better alternatives to rock-wool in a mix. Perlite is an expanded silica. It is slightly porous, offering some water and mineral storage capacity. It provides good plant support when wet or dry but tends to suspend itself during watering. It will let a plant fall over but will stiffen up when the water drains out. It will also float up through a top-dressing. The main value of perlite is its support for air circulation while also distributing water well through surface wicking. Many plants grow well in straight perlite with hydroponic feeding. A pot or tub of perlite can water itself via a fiber wick extending into a vessel of hydroponic solution. Perlite is an excellent bottom dressing to prevent potted plants from wicking up too much moisture from drainage saucers. Some sources of perlite have high alkali content, mostly potassium and will raise soil PH over time. There is also a styrofoam product called styromull with characteristics similar to perlite. Some European experts recommend it but it does not appear to be available in the Americas. The three products described above are thermal insulators having the same limitation described for peat moss. Baked clay spheres or extrusions which are collectively called grow-rocks in the hydroponic trade provide drainage and air circulation and store significant amounts of moisture and minerals. They are too coarse to use in other than hydroponic systems and most are too smooth to provide good plant support. A variant made of expanded shale avoids those limitations and is the equal to pumice. These products are of little value in low concentrations, becoming expensive pebbles and are too expensive to use in quantity unless one has a local manufacturer. As with the natural mineral products, shipping costs far exceed the initial cost of the material. As an alternative to peat moss, one can use mixed compost or composted bark chips. Mixed compost may contain manure, fallen leaves, grass clippings, agricultural residue, recycled newspaper and/or sawmill residue. Most are well composted and can be used like peat moss but without the re-wetting problem. One superior product called "America's Choice" was long-fiber sawmill residue. The long fibers provided plant support but were coarse enough to avoid packing down and suffocating roots. Alas, Wal-Mart no longer offers it. Perhaps some of the list members can find alternate sources. Bark chips have a much lower surface to volume ratio. They offer good drainage and can be used in high concentrations without suffocating roots. They do not offer good support and slide over each other easily but are much less likely to float up than perlite. Eastern sources of bark have predominantly 1cm and larger particle sizes while western sources are below 1 cm. One can screen it and use the same particle sizes as were recommended for gravel. Bark is not fully composted. It releases humic acids slowly so that little lime is needed to regulate PH but it can absorb significant amounts of nitrogen from the soil mix during its initial breakdown. One can add a tablespoon of dolomite per cubic foot and 2% to 3% by dry weight of nitrogen in some soluble form to a dampened mix and let it re-compost a few weeks before use. Favorite Mixes (FLAME BAIT): My favorite mix for aero-hydroponic use is equal parts of pea gravel and bark chips which will pass through 1/2" hardware cloth but not 1/4" hardware cloth. My current favorite mix for daily watering with hydroponic solution is equal parts of granular diatomaceous earth, perlite and screened bark chips. All pass through 1/4" hardware cloth but not through a 1mm screen. My favorite mix for gift plants which will be watered irregularly with our local alkaline water contains equal parts of peat moss, vermiculite, perlite and granular diatomaceous earth with 1/2 tsp of polyacrylamide crystals, one tablespoon of Osmocote pellets and two tablespoons of bone meal per gallon of mix. The mix goes through 1/4" hardware cloth just to break up the lumps. The Future: Please post your opinions if you disagree with any of the above. Describe any products that you use which are not included. Also post your favorite mixes which will be used to adjust the recommended ranges for ingredients and combined into a recommendation which allows for locally available alternative ingredients. Bob Cruder - bcruder@miaco.com ### Ib From: waverheu@vub.ac.be (Verheulpen W.) Subject: soil faq : some comments Thanks to Bob for the initiative of putting together a faq on the properties/components of substrates. He is a brave man indeed :-) :-) However I have a few comments open for discussion. These are probably due to other sources for the discussed materials & the relevancy of the comments highly depend on how much "non USA" the faq is supposed to be :-) Maybe they're also given by the advantage of living in a small country: more material is available on a small surface :-) >Most cacti and succulents live in soil with perhaps 3% to 5% organics. I would not put forward a figure here. Many S american genera thrive in habitats that contain much more organics than suggested here, just to name Gymno, Notocactus & Parodia. > Clay There are a multitude of "clay-like" soils. One has to avoid the pure/fine alluvial deposits of the material. We know of several spots where coarse clay was deposited which has almost no packing properties. One of our countrysides here is having a very coarse clay where sugar beet is grown it is the material "par excelence" unfortunately it is a major source of nematode infestation :-) It is not the idea of making the geological survey of clay here but the way it is put seems too restrictive to me. >Sand A lot of people over here use sand in their mixes. It is the simplest way to improve drainage. We have choices available : from the yellow type builders sand over gravel like sands on to pure quartzite sands (used to polish cement floors over here) Although I agree that the material can be totally inert it is a good weight compensation for those that want to grow in pure peat-like soils & enhance drainage. >Peat moss Ha ... The name covers a tremendeous variety of "peat-like" materials over here. They range from sphagnum (the very fine fibered old peat, that used to be imported from russia!) over the coarse garden-peat to the black-moor peat that is a trademarket of all flower growers in Holland. It has become the replacement of the (high qualified) leaf-mould for bulk growing due to the fact that it can be "mined" & does not require a lengthy compostation. it is also readily available for the home grower. Only the "red" peat has a significant pH lowering capacity. The black varieties are almost inert in this respect. All the peats on the market here do NOT store nutrients well! They are washed out by watering. They all come "pre-manured" & depending on the plant & pot size in sufficient quantity to provide "food" for 3-6 months. It can be used to compensate for alkalinity of lava additions but IMHO it remains to be seen if such composition (peat + lava) is a good growing substrate due to the continuous chemical instability & based on some lab experiments I would not reccomend this combination even not after a lengthy "rest" period >Vermiculite Experiences here show that it collapses after drying with NO regain or regeneration of form, forming a layer of mica pellets shuting off the soil in a most dreadfull way >Perlite We used to have intensive algae growth on perlite when exposed to direct sunlight >Styromull Do not worry Bob, I know it is there but I've never seen it on the market in Europe either :-) >Baked clay spheres Well over here that is a chapter on it's own. Many many people use them over here. They are available in all granulates from 0cm to ...cm. I use the 3mm variant for a number of applications. They can easily be grinded in an old coffee mill :-) & broken down to whatever size you grind them. Sifting out the powdered component leaves you with a sintered/baked high mineral high porosity component which is a great additive. One has to make sure that one buys the hydroponic quality. The building type is often manufactured from low quality clays with very high calcium contents & put into water may quickly make the pH raise to 9 & above :-) The hydro one is almost neutral to slightly alkaline (pH 7.2 7.3) So far the comments Why would you consider yr favourite mixes as flame bait ?? I always claim that one should experiment to find the substrate that seems to make the plants grow at their best in your particular environment. As this environment is substantially different 4 U & for me I expect that our substrates would be different to the same extent + flavoured with some personal touches ... so ... My personal soil "pet" : I have been experimenting for many years with crushed brick &/or clay pot debris. I break them down to suitable pieces a leave them weathering out in the garden. Now that makes a material of choice :-) The "old" gravel that was used on to tennis courts also makes a great additive, & what to say about the modern sisal fibres that start to be marketed as a replacement of peat? & I'm sure I'm still forgetting things :-) Sure hope guys/girls that I did not knock you off yr socks with this. I told you I'm a freak didn't I :-) Willy ### Ic From: waverheu@vub.ac.be (Willy A Verheulpen) Subject: Re: Soil for germination of cacti >Massimo De Sanctis says >Hi guy there. > >I have about 30% germinating success whenn sowing cactus seed. After >many years and many seeds thorwn away, I am getting convinced >that using a soilless media is definetely a plus. > [more deleted] I can not give you an explicit answer to yr question but maybe let me offer some possible advice :-) I have been sowing numerous things over the last 20 years & I also started to believe that "soilless" was the solution. In my opinion it is NOT, not more than the belief that soil should be sterilised before use. I have come to some experimental setups that give me a very good yield in germination but after that one is always ending up in some twilight zone of more/less uncontrolable success. Now I am making a soil mix with up to 60% mineral material. I have had the best results with "crushed brick" like material probably because of its capillary capacities. From this material I am sieving out the dust fine stuff using a "flour sift". The 40% remaining I make up with leaf mould, some peat, some garden clay. (I suppose that bark would be worth testing but that is hard to find here in quantities smaller than a truck load :-) ) To the final mix I add 10-20% of charcoal. I make sure that the max granulate diam is not more than 1.5 mm. My common mistake was to mix ingredients the day before using the mixture for sowing :-) Now I make it well in advance, that is November or so to be used in Feb/Mar next year. I make more than needed, can be easily recycled into your normal potting soils. I never keep it for several years. Imake a new batch every year. I keep the mixture in a styrofoam container with lid, so it is in the dark & I make sure that it is kept moist & more/less warm say 17/20 deg cent. This will balance the mixture & if some fungus grows now then you are lucky it will show you that the mix contained something harmfull & at least it declared itself before the seeds where put in :-) If you do not trust the quality of what you mixed up, then make a few sowing tests. Make sure you get seeds harvested from your own plants. (Or from plants of some nearby cactophile :-) ) Do not care if the are hybrids, you only want to see them germinate + observe the behaviour during 1-2 weeks. It will learn you how good the mix is. You must not be afraid of fertlising. (See about hydroponics!!) to improve growing. Everything you gain in growth before the winter season is a plus! At last one important thing : YOU MUST USE A FUNGICIDE ON THE SEEDS. Use the "dry" approach the way it was explained here on the forum. Maybe you do not like to do this, I do not like it either but if you do not want to get broke on seed bills after a number of years ending up with almost no plants yields then reconsider :-) I know that for many species good results can be obtained by a strict sowing drill. I have noticed many times that a "quicky" sowing in June/July because seeds came in too late never yields a satisfying result. It is crappy & will remain so (left in some room 4 exceptions :-) ) To boost your moral : I have sown tiny Parodia seeds with 100% germination & maybe 90-98% recovery after the first pricking out in the next year. Yet everyone claims that raising Parodia from the tiny seeds is a pain. It's NOT provided the best approach technique. HOWEVER ! the seed was from local harvest & ripened in the best conditions! Do not trust too much the commercial sources ... :-) Hope this helps Willy ### Id From: JABetzler@aol.com Subject: Re: using sand in mixes - not Most C&S growers here in southern California use no sand in their mixes. Few use dirt from the ground. Many people use media that is made up or humus or bark, peat moss, a loose filler that has lots of air in it and miscellaneous stuff. I worked at Grigsby Cactus Gardens for a few years and formulated this mix for myself from the ideas gleaned there and my experience over the last decade or so: 1 part Unigrow potting soil 1 part Supersoil 2 parts Pumice Occasionally I add a bit of charcoal if I can get it and I have experimented with Diatomaceous Earth (DE). If pumice is not available then pearlite or even vermiculite can be used. Pumice is great because it does not float as easy as pearlite. It also has a cation exchange capacity that releases water and fertilizer over a period of time rather that all at once. I also add Osmacote when I actually use the soil. The one quality that these soilless mixtures have over a soil based mixture it that they drain fast. The water poured into the pot drains through in a mater of seconds. The mix is wet in the pot but the water does not stand there. Others may have formulations that are different, I would like to here from those that use soil. There are commercial Cactus Mixes available as well and I have used those in the past. Good Luck - Joey Betzler 1994/08/20/0805 PST ### Ie From: rbrown@ctsnet.cts.com (J. Reese Brown) Subject: Re: More soil remarks... >Mark at SPNOVA@aol.com wrote: >.......... >Something I happened upon a couple years back was Zeolite. At first I was >interested in just using it for top dressing, as the stuff is so crystalline >& pretty, and (at least in Oregon) plentiful. The plants that got dressed >with the stuff immediately perked up and started developing better spination. >Started making a special mix with it for Discocacti & Melocacti & some other >mineral-loving south-american species, and have had 100% success with it. >So what's Zeolite? It used to be mined (probably still is) for use in >water-softeners. Zeolite is a combination of minerals formed from intense >heat and pressure in and around volcanic activity. It is very crystalline, >and has a property similar to pumice, in that it will retain moisture without >being 'wet'. One of the calcite-type minerals seems to attract roots, and >I've found small feeders growing right into the crystals. Wish I had more >info, so if anyone out there knows more about the Columbia River Zeolites, I >would welcome more information. >Another 'additive' I've been fooling around with is the addition of >Serpentine for certain alpine succulents (Lewisias, Claytonias, Talinums, and >the like). At Rare Plant Research, Burl and I have spent a bit of time >theorizing about the relationships between specific plants and their >habitats, and he's been experimenting with the Serpentine soil theory. A lot >of work to be done on all of this stuff, looking forward to see what pans >out! Have any of you ever experimented with using the water retaining jel material. It is sold under a variety of names but one commercial version is "Agrosoke". It is a crysteline looking powder bur when put into water, it absorbs about 20X its weight in water and swells up. It is used extensively by the growers of tropical plants. It seems like it might have some benefit to us in providing an extended source of water without making things soggy. It might work in ways similar to Zeolite. Reese Brown ### If From: (Bob Cruder) Subject: Soil Questions Please allow me to comment on some of the recent statements and questions on soil components. I'm not sure that my earlier posting used terms with which everyone agrees and would appreciate further feedback. 1. Willy has questioned my statement that most C&S live in soil with 3% to 5% organics. That was my recollection from an Arizona Sonoran Desert Museum article some years ago. Since most of their research was done in the Sonoran, Mojave and Chihuahuan deserts, their results may be somewhat biased but so would statements based on epiphytic species whose "soil" is 100% organic detritus. Soil in southern Arizona and in west Texas which I've been able to sample is well under 1% organics. All percentages are by dry weights. Even a dense organic like bark chips is much less dense than mineral materials like pea gravel. The 3% to 5% may mean 30% to 50% on a volumetric basis. Higher volumetric proportions than that are seen in bogs and on forest floor but are not particularly common worldwide. 2. Willy also questions the term "clay". In geological usage here, true clays are colloidal in size and will take hours or days to settle from suspension. Above that in size are silts, sands, gravels, cobbles and boulders. A chemist would define a clay based on molecular/crystalline structure and would call the massive zeolite rock deposits clays just as well as the slippery stuff used for pottery. What writings I've seen on soil composition use the geological interpretation. In the presence of sufficient calcium ions, the colloidal clays flocculate into silt-sized particles but the transition can be reversed by adding enough sodium ions to displace the calcium. The "natural" particle size drives the usage. 3. There does seem to be some question regarding the particle size of sand. Common usage here is to call particles more than about 1mm in diameter a fine gravel. The sands constituting most of my local soil are under 0.2mm diameter. I found them able to suffocate roots even without the addition of organic material. That is probably not the particle size which Willy has used "to grow in pure peat-like soils and enhance drainage". What usage would readers prefer? 4. Spagnum peat is commonly available here and the term peat moss is used interchangeably with it. The hyphinum peat (spelling ?) is rarely even seen except for the Hyponex brand and is also called black peat. It has extremely small fiber size and is almost guaranteed to suffocate roots. That is probably equivalent to what Willy calls "black-moor peat". We seldom see the term "leaf-mould" used anymore because that product was originally mined from temperate forests and is no longer available. Artificial composts may contain leaves but usually contain many other organic materials as well. They can only be described as compost or with a trade name. Would the terms "spagnum peat", "black peat" and "compost" satisfy readers? 5. I claimed that peat moss had the ability to store nutrients and Willy disagrees. More properly, the porous fibers have an ion exchange capacity as do clays. The ability to store and release limited amounts of ionic nutrients avoids both toxic levels and deficiencies in the face of variable delivery and consumption. I did not intend to imply that they would retain nutrients sufficient for weeks or months of growth. Would readers prefer that I use the more formal term "ion exchange capacity"? 6. The coarse vermiculite that I use compacts in response to the surface tension of absorbed water but does seem to expand when the water dries out. After drying, a light breeze blows vermiculite out of my pots. I have ceased to use the fine grade with particle sizes under 0.5 mm. Like the vesicular basalt sold as lava rock, vermiculite slowly breaks down into smaller particles. The fine grade turns clay-like so quickly that it is unsafe to use. This sounds like what Willy has encountered. What experiences have other readers had? 7. I've never seen algal growth on perlite in plants that I have grown but see it often in potted plants from greenhouses. Can anyone advise regarding the level of relative humidity required? The tendency for perlite to float after watering requires that a thick top-dressing be used for cosmetic reasons. Are any readers using perlite without a top-dressing? 8. Willy has access to a greater variety of baked-clay products than I do in Colorado. All that I see on display are the approx 1 cm spheres but have seen advertisments for the 2 mm to 3mm diameter extruded products. I'd appreciate some input from other readers. This may well be a perfect material but the FAQ needs to reflect some common availability. 9. Mark has mentioned both the Zeolite and serpentine. The coincidence of asbestos with serpentine rock poses a respiratory danger that would concern OSHA and perhaps the EPA here. The California EPA closed an ORV park a few years back because the density of airborne asbestos kicked up from the serpentine surface rock exceeded legal limits. Significant distribution or use of serpentines in a business setting could expose one to civil and possibly criminal penalties. The Zeolite is much more interesting. After reading Mark's post, I called some local water softener companies and found that they used ion-exchange resin beads called "dialite". I'd like to find out what softener distributors might still provide a source of Zeolite. 10. Reese has asked about water-retaining gel crystals sold under the trade name "Agrosoke". This material with the generic term granular polyacrylamide gel is commonly available in two forms under a variety of trade names. One form absorbs 200 to 400 times its volume in water but is decomposed by UV when exposed at the soil surface and ceases to absorb when exposed to sufficient levels of salt or other ionic solutes. I add it to my cactus mix to support moisture-loving plants like zygos, bromeliads and african violets. It was once sold to remove the wave action from water beds by gelling the water. If you made the bed too stiff or if you wanted to drain it, you just added salt. The other form absorbs only 50 to 100 times its volume in water but is UV stable and is less sensitive to salt levels. It is better for plants that are difficult or impossible to repot because of their size or spination. A pot filled with gelled crystals drains well but has almost no air space and can suffocate roots. It might work as a medium for top-feed hydroponics where oxygenated solution is continuously supplied. I've had no problems when the gelled volume comprises up to 25% of the total soil volume but start to get anoxic areas with higher proportions. Bob Cruder - bcruder@miaco.com ### Ig From: SPNOVA@aol.com Subject: Re:Soil Questions&apology Bob Cruder recently wrote: >9. Mark has mentioned both the Zeolite and serpentine.The >coincidence of asbestos with serpentine rock poses a respiratory >danger that would concern OSHA and perhaps the EPA here. The >California EPA closed an ORV park a few years back because the >density of airborne asbestos kicked up from the serpentine surface >rock exceeded legal limits. Significant distribution or use of >serpentines in a business setting could expose one to civil and >possibly criminal penalties. First off, I must assure readers that the perceived threat of exposure to asbestos from serpentine rock within the context of what I previously described, strikes me as rather unlikely, but one should be aware that the serpentines do contain varying amounts of asbestos. At Rare Plant Research, there are always a number of on-going experimental techniques in progress, and presence of serpentine soils in the experimental areas in no way effects, or ever comes into contact with sale plants. It does, however, seem odd to me that the Berkely Botanical gardens would be investing so much in the construction of a "Serpentine-soils" garden, what with all that dust floating around in the course of construction & the general public. They've certainly hauled in more than ten or twelve square yards of the stuff, to make their beds... I wonder whether they are aware of these potential penalties and health-risks Bob speaks of. Strikes me as a bit intangible, but not impossible. A good point raised that I was negligent in mentioning, my apologies to the group. Mark ### Ih From: "Boehmke, Jim" Subject: Limestone in Cactus Mix For some cacti it is normally recommened that when the seedlings are transplanted for the first time that the soil should have a basic pH and in order to achieve this it is suggested to add limestone to the mix. Can one dig up limestone bearing soil and or gravel in the desert areas where cacti are known to grow in limestone rock and soil and use this in some way? Should a commercial product be used? If so, what product should be used.? How much limestone, in what ever form, should be added to your regular cactus mix? Jim Boehmke ### Ii From: Richard Bernard Subject: Limestone in Cactus Mix Responding to msg by JCBOEHM@saix367.sandia.gov ("Boehmke, Jim") on Mon, 26 Sep 11:10 PM Dear Jim, Yes, cactus found growing in limestone, such as the ones in the Trans-Pecos area of Texas, benefit from the addition of such in the planting mix. I find dolomite effective for this purpose. It can be purchased readily at a nursury or a aquarium store. Richard Bernard ### Ij Eschew Peat! From: Ralph R. Peters, 3 May 1996 My dictionary defines "eschew" as "to avoid habitually especially on moral or practical grounds; SHUN" and I think that sums up my attitude on the use of peat in potting-soil mixes. In my opinion, plants that are generally considered "easy" to grow (e.g., Mammillarias, Rebutias, Lobivias, and Echinopsis) are easy because they tolerate peat-based potting-soil mixes, while plants that are considered "difficult" (e.g., Ariocarpus, Sclerocactus, Pediocactus, and Echinomastus) are difficult because (mostly) they don't tolerate peat-based potting-soil mixes. One can grow "difficult" plants in a peat-based potting-soil mix ("difficult" not "impossible") but one has to be very careful or the plant losses will be total rather than terrible. I live in Albuquerque, NM and became interested in growing local cacti and succulents about 15 years ago. I am especially interested in Pediocacti, Sclerocacti, and Toumeyas which have a reputation of being difficult. It would seem that growing them should be easy for me; that was not the case for my first 10 years! During that time, I grew the plants in a peat-based potting-soil mix (~two-thirds coarse sand, ~ one-third Metromedia 360 potting-soil which is great for geraniums and such) and discovered that after about 2 years in a pot the plants started to lose their roots and die from what I affectionately term the "orange rot". I tried everything! I tried all sorts of recipes for my potting soil. I carefully monitored the soil moisture. I used dangerous chemicals as soil drenches (bad side-affects!). I repotted often trying all sort of things with the unhealthy roots (dip in chinosol, cut,...); but then many of the plants died immediately after repotting. Watching a 6 year-old, blooming-size Sclero mesae-verde dissolve into orange-mush is not a happy sight! It seemed that the potting mix might be the problem. I (brilliantly!) noticed that plants in habitat never grow in peat and are quite happy to stay in one place for many years!! Discussions with Steve Brack at Mesa Gardens (> 100,000 cacti and succulent plants are currently flourishing there) convinced me that peat MIGHT be the problem. His suggestion was to try the totally radical concept of growing them in a much more natural potting-soil mix containing local soil, sand, and pumice. To test the hypothesis that peat was the problem I ran a number of tests growing the same or similar plants in a peat-based mix and a native-soil mix. The results were uniformly and stikingly similar; after a few years, plants grown in peat-based mixes became sickly while those grown in the native-soil mix remained healthy. For example, I planted about 40 pots of seed of Pedios, Scleros, and Toumeyas in both the peat-based mix and the native-soil mix. The seeds germinated equally well in both mixes (after winter stratification) resulting in more than 300 seedlings. During their first year of life, I could see little difference between plants in the two mixes. During the second year, plants in the peat-based mix grew more slowly and their death rate was higher. I repotted all of them in the spring of the third year and discovered that the roots of plants grown in the peat-mix were sickly and that in many pots more than half the plants had orange-rot in their roots. Repotting these plants was a mess with a significant time taken in plant surgery. The plants grown in the native-soil mix were uniformly healthy and no cases of orange-rot were observed. Easy plants flourish in this mix also; my Haworthias are "pot-eating" monsters! The particular mix that I use works well for me, but may not be appropriate for others with a significantly different climate. I list it below only as an example. 63 % coarse sand (.1 - 1 mm diameter) 25 % soil (mine is a fine aeolian soil from a location that has knee-high native grass during the summer monsoon season) 12 % white agricultural pumice Other "native-soil mix" growers in NM use a wide variety of mixes ranging from pure decomposed-granite "soils" gathered near the base of the Sandia Mountains to mixes that are mostly fine mesa soil mixed with a little sand. My suggestion to growers is to EXPERIMENT! Mix up a couple batches of potting-mix that contains no peat and are low in organic content. Those from the rich prairies of the American Midwest might try a mix with a small amount of soil and lots of coarse gravel, pumice, and other inorganic materials that promote drainage. Then pot up a few plants that you can afford to lose. (That common Mammillaria on the back shelf that hasn't been repotted in 6 years is a good candidate!) Keep track of the results! Adjust the mix! With a little experimentation, you will find a mix that allows you to be more successful with both difficult and easy plants. Good luck and good growing!! Ralph R. Peters - rrpeter@isrc.sandia.gov, added 3 May 1996 ### IIa From: waverheu@vub.ac.be (Willy A Verheulpen) Subject: hydroponics recipe Here goes the recipe that I got from one of my friends. He has a 400+ sq mtr greenhouse with the most wonderfull plants & he uses this "mix" to water his plants The article states that it works best in soil with a low calcium content because of the SO4 precipitation(s) quantities in grams !! Solutions A & B made up separately to avoid precipitation of components! Solution A ----------- Iron II sulfate FeSO4 8.5 gr Maganese sulfate MnSO4 3.5 gr Boric Acid H3BO3 5.0 gr Zinc sulfate ZnSO4 0.35 gr Copper sulfate CuSO4 0.35 gr Chromium chloride CrCl2 0.35 gr Nikkel sulfate NiSO4 0.20 gr Cobalt sulfate CoSO4 0.20 gr Aluminum sulfate Al2(SO4)3 2.0 gr Potassium bisulfate KHSO4 10.0 gr aqua dist. pro 500 ml Solution B ---------- Potassium bromide KBr 0.2 gr Potassium Iodide KI 0.2 gr Ammonium silicofluarate (NH4)2SiF6 0.4 gr Ammonium vanadate NH4VO3 0.2 gr Ammonium molybdate (NH4)6Mo7O24 0.2 gr aqua dist. pro 500 ml Final buffer solution -------------------- Sodium chloride NaCl 2.0 gr Potassium nitrate KNO3 12.0 gr Magnesium sulfate MgSO4 2.0 gr Ammonium nitrate NH4NO3 20.0 gr KH2PO4 150.0 gr K2HPO4 50.0 gr aqua dist. pro 1000ml Stir this solution until components are fully dissolved, then add while still stirring : 5 ml of solution A 5 ml of solution B >From this final solution one can add 3 to 5 ml per liter water depending on the initial alkalinity of the water. The pH should be between 6.0 & 6.5 when this buffer solution is used. I would very much welcome any comments !! Bob ? ### IIb From: (Bob Cruder) Subject: Hydroponic Mix Willy asked for comments regarding the hydroponic formula that he posted. It is similar to a number of general purpose mixes that I have seen but may benefit from some recent research. 1. A quick calculation of total solute content shows that solution A contributes about 300 ppm and the buffer solution contributes 700-1000 ppm. Fast growing leafy plants growing in a fast-draining medium like pearlite or gravel with regular circulation of the solution can make use of a 1000 ppm and up solution. Slow-growing plants can't make use of that much solute and slow-draining media can often allow localized concentrations 2-3 times that of the feed solution. Many growers have reported root tip burning above 1500 ppm. 2. Some of the trace minerals in solution A are well above current practice. For example, the boric acid accounts for 50 ppm. The usual practice is 5 ppm to get 1 ppm of elemental boron. 3. I've seen no references for aluminum as an essential mineral and several relating to its toxicity and ability to bind essential minerals into insoluble complexes. I would recommend deleting the aluminum sulfate. 4. The ammonium silicofluorate is a good idea. Many xerophytes and halophytes have a requirement for silicon. Silicates slowly dissolve in alkaline solution but not in acid and the silicate present in one's tap water may be precipitated when one adjusts the final PH. Users of rockwool growing media can eliminate this ingredient because the medium leaches silicate as well as slowly raising the PH of the solution. 5. Ammonium ion is used as one component of available nitrate. Some plants can use it and others find it toxic. The editors of Practical Hydroponics recommended that nitrate from ammonia be no more than 3% of the available nitrogen for the more sensitive plants. To achieve PH balance without excess ppm of other anions requires that nitrate be the negative ionic component of most or all of the other ingredients. 6. The buffer solution is the primary source of both nitrate and phosphate and is rather heavy on the phosphate. While phosphate ion is a good buffer to resist PH fluctuations, it can bind some of the anions into insoluble complexes and often encourages more root growth than hydroponic culture really needs. I've seen recent moves to reduce phosphate ion levels for this reason. 7. Although the solution would be less stable against PH variation, the use of sulfate ion as the primary buffer and nitric acid as the acidifier would speak to both item 6 and 7. Note that roots replace all absorbed anions with hydrogen ion an all cations with hydroxide ion so the PH will always have to be checked and adjusted depending on just what nutrients are being absorbed most rapidly. 8. Some minerals don't stay in solution well, tending to form complexes which are not bioavailable. This applies to all of the transition metals including iron. Commercial mixes use chelating agents such as disodium EDTA to prevent the occurrence. Lacking this, one needs much higher levels of those anions. This may explain the high ppm from solution A. As readers have probably already concluded, it is not easy to make one's own solutions especially given the rate of change of knowledge, the need for tiny amounts of pure chemicals which are often sold with a 500 gr minimum quantity and the need for meticulous weighing and mixing to avoid variation in the final product. Where available, the prepared mixes are easier, safer and cheaper. An $8 jar of General Hydroponics Floragro is about 1 lb. At 1/4 tsp or 1 gram per gallon, the smallest jar makes 450 gallons of solution. I use 2-3 gallons per day and the twice/yearly cost for the jar is a small price to pay for the convenience of mixing. I now premix the Floragro powder with my citric and malic acids for PH correction and (in summer) Miracid for additional nitrogen and a dilutent so that the resulting powder mixes at exactly 1/2 tsp per gallon. Bob Cruder - bcruder@miaco.com ### IIc From: (Bob Cruder) Subject: More Hydro Questions/Reply Thanks to Willy's interest, I can use more of your bandwidth to prosletize on hydroponics. 1. On a raft hydroponic system, one normally makes a hole larger than the plant stem and wedges the plant in with a non-rotting fiber like fiberglass. One could just make the hole smaller and wedge the plant in and indeed that is just what I did with my lithops. The problem is that styrofoam is not sufficiently yielding to allow for growth. The lithops will just wedge itself upwards and an ariocarpus would probably do the same. Plants with more cylindrical trunks might be girdled by the pressure. 2. So far, the use of an airstone has not generated rot problems from the overspray. There are two reasons for this. First, my relative humidity is so low that a typical droplet (.1 mm) dries within minutes. The detergents present in the commercial hydroponic mix encourage the droplet to spread which makes it evaporate faster. The second reason is that I clean the tank weekly, refilling it with bacteria-free solution and adding 5 drops of bleach per gallon of solution. 3. I do use opaque vessels to decrease algal infestation. Some will always grow around the edge of the styrofoam but I just wipe it off during the weekly cleaning. Since the bleach slows the algal growth rate, a rapid increase in algae would indicate that some other organic material is reacting and consuming the bleach. BTW I have not found any foam which tolerates the UV at >6400'. The top surface will slowly powder. I replace the foam annually with cacti but hope for longer term use with leafy plants which shade the foam better. By the time that I replace the foam, every pore in the foam has resident algae. 4. Roots grown in hydroponic environments do differ from those grown in soil. Some plants grow roots based on need and in the direction of moisture. In hydroponics, such plants grow small root systems that wind around themselves. Other plants grow roots based on a structural plan. Those roots are about the same size and shape as soil grown ones. Hydroponic roots do usually have fewer root hairs. There are two reasons. First, fewer are needed. Second, the high oxygen requirements of the hairs may only be properly supplied on the outside of the root mass. In soil, root hairs grow and die off all the time. In hydroculture, a more continuous equilibrium level is maintained. This is not really a problem with cacti and succulents which are often de-rooted when transplanting just to avoid transport of pathogens. Most specimens would not really be held back. They would just cease to enjoy the higher hydroponic growth rate. 5. I've not had good luck with small transplants. The recommended medium is a 1" cube of rockwool wedged into the foam. Rockwool holds too much moisture for cacti and succulents and they tend to rot. The airstone just can't push enough oxygenated solution up from below. I've got a bunch of mixed specimens growing in jars now and will be transplanting them onto green fiberglass when they reach 1 cm or so size. The fiberglass has a "solid" side and a side which is just random fibers. I'm going to make a plug with the solid side up and make a 1/8" hole in the it for the plant. The roots won't dangle but will be supported by the random fibers below. Solution and bubbles should still penetrate to root level. Hope this helps! Bob Cruder - bcruder@miaco.com ### IId From: Carl.Gustafson@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Carl Gustafson) Subject: Re: More Hydro Questions/Reply Bob, A question from total ignorance: >5. I've not had good luck with small transplants. The recommended medium >is a 1" cube of rockwool wedged into the foam. Rockwool holds too much >moisture for cacti and succulents and they tend to rot. The airstone just >can't push enough oxygenated solution up from below. I've got a bunch of >mixed specimens growing in jars now and will be transplanting them onto >green fiberglass when they reach 1 cm or so size. The fiberglass has a >"solid" side and a side which is just random fibers. I'm going to make a >plug with the solid side up and make a 1/8" hole in the it for the plant. >The roots won't dangle but will be supported by the random fibers below. >Solution and bubbles should still penetrate to root level. Would it be possible to take the foam and cut larger windows, possibly with fiberglass window screen cleverly attached to the underside, and place large areas of the furnace filter in these cutouts for seed sowing? One problem I could see would be removing the green fiberglass filter from the seedlings at a later time; this would seem to involve surgery. Inquiring minds want to know... Carl Gustafson ### IIe From: waverheu@vub.ac.be (Willy A Verheulpen) Subject: More hydro questions :-) Thanks to Bob Cruder for explaining some basic techniques to apply hydroponics but I still have some additional questions. 1) What is the need of using the non-rotting fiber? Is it not enough to make the holes large enough to make the plant "float" freely into them? Would this not be better to prevent stem base rot? 2) I would have guessed about the oxygenation but is the "air stone" approach not generating a problem with spitting around the solution? & wetting the plants over & over ? 3) Do you use "colored" vessels to lock out light & prevent growth of algae in the solution? 4) The root system in an hydro environment is substantially different from the roots that develop in plain soil. Can one transplant hydro raised plants easily into soil or is this a problem? I recall from experiments here in the Plant biology dept. that they had huge losses when transplanting agar-raised plants right into soil. The solution seemed to be an intermediate step of transplanting in coarse vermiculite. 5) Is this raft hydro system used for small plants germinated in plain soil & transplanted subsequently? What about adaptation losses? OK that's enough for now :-) I am already set for some experimental work! Thanks to all! (but especially to Bob C) Willy ### IIf From: (Bob Cruder) Subject: Rotting Caudex/Hydro?/Ariocarpus/Citric Acid Ryan's Rotting Caudex: I move many of my specimens out onto my deck in summer. About a month back we had an unusual rainy period. It killed two lithops and rotted the tuber on a night blooming cereus. The top of the cereus was OK. As an experiment, I removed obviously rotting tissue and set the end in 3% hydrogen peroxide. It dissolved/sterilized the damaged tissue but left the live tissue unharmed. I then followed common wisdom which was probbly a mistake and let the bulb dry hoping that it would scar over. Instead, it dessicated, losing almost all of its volume in the process. I did stick what was left into my raft hydroponic system. In the last two weeks, the residual bulb tissue has sloughed off with no obvious rot. The top of the plant looks good and I am awaiting root growth. I would recommend the technique to anyone trying to save a prized specimen and would suggest one further step. Eliminate the raft system and use a cool mist humidifier of either the centrifical or ultrasonic variety to blow a very weak (100-200 ppm) solution on the remaining caudex from below. There will be three main effects. 1. The high relative humidity will prevent wilting. 2. The high oxygen level prevents rot. 3. All of the plant surfaces absorb water and nutrients even without roots, especially the undersides of leaves. Many plants which do not root well, even with hormonal treatment, do root with this aeroponic technique without hormones and do not rot even without fungicides. I am currently trying to root a yucca head in the raft system with NO pretreatment except for trimming out obvious rot. Time will tell. Hydro Questions: Carl Gustafson has asked about using the green filter fiberglass as a seed starting medium and wonders about removing the fiberglass from the roots later. I intend to do such an experiment regarding germination but already know the answer regarding removal. Don't even try! I've used that same fiberglass to cover drain holes in pots. Roots eventually grow through it and the fibers spread without girdling the roots the way that wire screen does. I just cut away as much as I can without cutting any roots and leave the rest attached to the root mass when transplanting. Ariocarpus: I just received my order of ariocarpus from Mark (SPNOVA@aol.com). They look great and are perfect experimental subjects for alternative culture techniques. Since they grow so slowly with conventional techniques, any documented improvement would be a real triumph. Not knowing how many Mark has left, interested parties should contact him. He who hesitates... Citric Acid: I had earlier recommended citric acid for adjusting PH in a hydroponic solution. An interview in the winter issue of Growing Edge disagreed, saying that the plants themselves consume the citric acid, raising the PH of the solution. An earlier article in the same issue did say that whatever citric acid is absorbed enters directly into the normal citric acid metabolic cycle an merely serves as a source of energy. While this may be a problem when growing peppers, (the main product of the interviewee's system) it may be a positive boon for C&S growers. If the citric acid becomes a supplemental energy source for the plants, one may achieve growth rates comparable to grafting and avoid the fermentation problem seen when adding sugars to a nutrient solution. The only downside is frequent PH checking and addition of more citric acid. Anyone else want to try? Bob Cruder - bcruder@miaco.com ### IIIa From: (Bob Cruder) Subject: Root Temperature Steve Barton described the value of bottom heat when growing tricho's. Perhaps some background info would be of value. Root metabolism varies with temperature in an inverted U curve for most plants. At low temperatures, chemical reactions slow. At high temperatures the solubility of oxygen in soil moisture drops, eventually causing the root metabolism to drop due to partial suffocation. In hydroponics, for a wide variety of plants, the optimum is 65-75 F. Some minerals become less soluble below that temperature as well. Calcium and phosphate precipitate out more readily and do not redissolve easily. At higher temperatures (90 F and above) carbon dioxide becomes less soluble. Free bicarbonates turn to carbonates and precipitate out. This is the process that creates boiler scale. Water and solutes dissociate more at higher temperatures. This causes the PH to drop even when no acid or alkalii has been added. Since optimum solubility and availability of most minerals is found with PH from about 6-7, temperature-induced PH shifts may help or hurt. The safest policy is to aim for the 65-75F range, measure the PH after soil temperature stabilizes and if needed, reset the PH with additives in your watering solution. Cacti and succulents don't need a lot of water but may suffer from shortage of specific minerals. In addition, there may be chemical messengers generated by the roots which slow the growth rate during dry periods. Clearly, the plant as a whole responds to changes in root health even when hydration is not compromised. Would anyone care to measure growth rate against root temperature when oxygenation, PH and mineral (at least NPK) levels are controlled? Bob Cruder - bcruder@miaco.com ### IIIb From: (Bob Cruder) Subject: Accelerating growth in cacti In habitat, the major growth limit is availability of water. When the plant dries beyond a certain point, it no longer converts stored carbohydrates into new tissue at the growing tip. It also opens its stoma less to avoid moisture loss and thus limits CO2 intake. Photosynthesis is thus reduced. Since less light is needed for that purpose, the plant often produces more red pigments to at least reduce the photoageing of existing tissues. When the plant is watered, the pigment takes time to dissipate and there is a short-term decrease in photosynthesis even though growth at the tip recovers quickly. In cultivation, the limitations come from the low surface to volume ratio of the columnar or globular form. One cannot increase the available area for photosynthesis and transpiration but can make most efficient use of what is there. 1. Supply as much light as possible short of burning the plant. Sunlight is stronger than all but a focused arc tube but usually contains significant UV. Limit the UV with window glass that absorbs it. Use arc lamps to extend the daylight rather than supplement it. Much of the weak stems are actually elongation due to insufficient light. One can prevent the elongation by limiting water and nutrients but that merely hides the symptom. 2. Control temperature. The CAM metabolism of cacti doesn't really work below about 70 F and you can get tissue damage if the central temperatures get much above 100F. Within that range, they are most efficient. 3. Supply moisture. Keep the soil as continuously damp as you dare. A well drained medium can be watered daily without risking rot in most species. Stem splitting is due to supplying lots of water after a long period of drying when sugars become concentrated in the tissues. If you never let the plant get really dry for long, you'll not get splitting. 4. Supply minerals. Hydroponic tests in other species have shown that plants build supportive tissues faster and stronger as the conductivity of the solution is increased. This effect continues even beyond the point where externally measured growth starts to decrease. Unfortunately, the tests did not show what minerals were most important and which ones, if any, were counterproductive. I would guess that one should avoid high concentrations of nitrogen since so many anecdotal claims abound for plants that got tall but weak from that mineral. 5. Protect the plant. Fast vertical growth may outpace the production of cuticle cells and waxes. The resultant skin may be easily injured. I have found it somewhat more prone to sunburn as well. In my experiments, the skin does eventually thicken but it may take a year to become indistinguishible from slow-growth tissue. 6. Supply CO2. This is a guess that I haven't tested. Even with all of the above, cacti suffer from limited ability to transport CO2. Since CAM plants transpire in darkness, lengthening the day to supply more light may exacerbate this problem. CO2 supplementation during the dark period could be of great value. Would anyone like to try it? 7. Try hormones. I've induced growth in some cacti that hadn't grown for years by spraying with seaweed extract. Since they were well-fed, I must presume some hormonal rather than foliar feeding effect. Perhaps a reader can comment or would like to pursue a controlled experiment. Bob Cruder - bcruder@miaco.com